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I guess I am behind the times? Is editorializing ok now?
No, editorializing is not ok now. This particular post fell into a grey area, so we left it up under the guideline of "let people talk about what they want to talk about in almost every case" and kept an eye on it. The discussion was basically fine.
Others have already chimed in various suggestions or point, so no need to rehash them. Basically, post about stuff that interests you, the links should stand on their own, and avoid making a post about you or your thoughts/feelings on the subject.
tiny frying pan: "Which I always thought was kind of bizarre. There should be at least a 10 minute edit window, or a way to submit an edit easily to be fixed by mods."
There's a feature request for this (#6) on the list of feature requests for the new site. Folks can submit their own requests (or ponies) at this link.
No, editorializing is not ok now. This particular post fell into a grey area, so we left it up under the guideline of "let people talk about what they want to talk about in almost every case" and kept an eye on it. The discussion was basically fine.
Others have already chimed in various suggestions or point, so no need to rehash them. Basically, post about stuff that interests you, the links should stand on their own, and avoid making a post about you or your thoughts/feelings on the subject.
tiny frying pan: "Which I always thought was kind of bizarre. There should be at least a 10 minute edit window, or a way to submit an edit easily to be fixed by mods."
There's a feature request for this (#6) on the list of feature requests for the new site. Folks can submit their own requests (or ponies) at this link.
NotLost: I believe it happened in 2024. It's been on the Site Info page for quite a while."
Yes, the Metafilter Community Foundation became officially legal on November 1, 2024, have updated that page to reflect the tenure of current and past members of that official board.
Yes, the Metafilter Community Foundation became officially legal on November 1, 2024, have updated that page to reflect the tenure of current and past members of that official board.
Yes, the site banner has been updated.
TheophileEscargot: "Could the FAQ be updated to have the current list of board members, with NotLost instead of Gorgic?
Have updated that FAQ entry to link to the General Staff and Site Information page, so that the list of Board members is in a single place, for easy updating.
Could the Steering Committee page be changed to the past tense, and a note added that it was disbanded in 2023?"
Mods don't have editing rights to that page, have passed the request on to frimble.
Have updated that FAQ entry to link to the General Staff and Site Information page, so that the list of Board members is in a single place, for easy updating.
Could the Steering Committee page be changed to the past tense, and a note added that it was disbanded in 2023?"
Mods don't have editing rights to that page, have passed the request on to frimble.
Post edited per NotLostโs request to change some wording and a few comments removed
Edited post, with NotLost's permission, to add link to previous board update and added the tag 'MefiCoFoBoardUpdate'. Will do same to previous Board Update posts.
NotLost, You've done a lot of good so far, so just keep doing what you're doing. Go for it!
NotLost: "99_ and staff (Brandon? loup?), would you please work together to get appropriate info..."
Yes, will put 99_, loup, and myself in some sort of email/message chains so we can figure out appropriate communications and assistance.
Yes, will put 99_, loup, and myself in some sort of email/message chains so we can figure out appropriate communications and assistance.
One deleted, posterโs request for removal of personal information in comment.
Updated the link under New Site Status to reflect the newest update.
Two comments removed at member's request
Hi all,
Clearly there's still a several issues going on and staff should work ensure next month's update goes better, more on that below.
This includes working with 99_ to finish out ironing out issues with connections to various financial data (like PayPal), working with frimble on what can be done to prevent future site downtime's similar to what occurred on 7/26/25, getting the BiPOC minutes for a recent meeting finished, and keeping members informed about any policy changes, updates or discussions.
Note that MetaFilter does have a free account with UptimeRobot to monitor if the site is up and running (it checks every five minutes). This was done to help non-development staff know if and when the site goes down so we can communicate information to the community and as a backup to development monitoring.
UptimeRobot did report when the site was down yesterday, enabling staff to ping frimble and post to our Bluesky account that the site was down, along with updates. Will also check with frimble about making sure the status page accurately reflects whether the site is up or down.
Finally, I think (without consulting with other staff members yet) that it would be good for staff to establish goals with each site update for the next month's site update. Doesn't have to be anything huge, especially as we're still in a transition phase with management, but definite goals to keep the site and community running as smoothly as possible, something like what is mentioned in the second paragraph of this comment.
Clearly there's still a several issues going on and staff should work ensure next month's update goes better, more on that below.
This includes working with 99_ to finish out ironing out issues with connections to various financial data (like PayPal), working with frimble on what can be done to prevent future site downtime's similar to what occurred on 7/26/25, getting the BiPOC minutes for a recent meeting finished, and keeping members informed about any policy changes, updates or discussions.
Note that MetaFilter does have a free account with UptimeRobot to monitor if the site is up and running (it checks every five minutes). This was done to help non-development staff know if and when the site goes down so we can communicate information to the community and as a backup to development monitoring.
UptimeRobot did report when the site was down yesterday, enabling staff to ping frimble and post to our Bluesky account that the site was down, along with updates. Will also check with frimble about making sure the status page accurately reflects whether the site is up or down.
Finally, I think (without consulting with other staff members yet) that it would be good for staff to establish goals with each site update for the next month's site update. Doesn't have to be anything huge, especially as we're still in a transition phase with management, but definite goals to keep the site and community running as smoothly as possible, something like what is mentioned in the second paragraph of this comment.
Previous username Jacen: "Will anyone be able to explain the reasoning for the sudden unexpected promotion of notlost? "
That sounds like a question for the Interim Board to address.
That sounds like a question for the Interim Board to address.
NotLost: "This sentence is incomplete: "Fixes to get the daily full backup to run with no downtime".
Are the fixes done, in process, pending or what?"
NotLost: "I realized it's the same situation for these fixes: "RSS fixes for both main feeds and tag pages". Would you check on those, too, please?" ]
Yes, both of the backup and RSS fixes have bee
Are the fixes done, in process, pending or what?"
NotLost: "I realized it's the same situation for these fixes: "RSS fixes for both main feeds and tag pages". Would you check on those, too, please?" ]
Yes, both of the backup and RSS fixes have bee
You probably want to update whatever source doc you're mindlessly copying these out of is updated.
Fixed that sentence now.
Fixed that sentence now.
AlSweigart: "At this point in their 9-month-old account, Lemkin has a pattern of antagonizing behavior and doubling down. When (not if) he gets his account banned, we'll all have wished it had been done months ago."
It's ok to disagree with another member, but this sort of personal attack doesn't help discussion or the community. Please just focus on the comments and not on the person.
It's ok to disagree with another member, but this sort of personal attack doesn't help discussion or the community. Please just focus on the comments and not on the person.
Diskeater: "Can this be updated with a list of current board members? Or can that list live somewhere on the site?"
I've updated that FAQ entry to link to the Site Information FAQ that NotLost mentioned, which is also linked in the footer on every page.
I've updated that FAQ entry to link to the Site Information FAQ that NotLost mentioned, which is also linked in the footer on every page.
coffeecat: "Can the mods via the site backend see which users are filtering out USPolitics? "
Nah, there's no information about tag usage on the backend.
Nah, there's no information about tag usage on the backend.
Link to this post has been added to the site banner, also added the following tag:
MeFiCoFo
MCF
MeFiCoFo
MCF
There are excellent questions about who should be able to add tags to a post in regards to the USpolitics tag. Currently it's possible for the original poster, a mod, or someone with a connection to the poster to add any tag to a post, just fyi.
Obviously the current system is imperfect and may need to be rebuilt. Particularly if people want to block a tag, does that mean any post with that tag is blocked? Or is there another way of blocking posts that are tagged by other people that will deliver a high level of success?
Currently there's request, via a flag, for the USpolitics tag to be added to this post, https://www.metafilter.com/209603/If-this-isnt-infringement-Congress-needs-to-do-something, which I think is a reasonable request. But I've gone ahead and asked the original poster if they're cool with that. What do y'all think?
If they aren't and say no, is that a good system for the USpolitics tag with our current system. Should one person get to decide for everyone else about what is blocked under USpolitics?
Obviously the current system is imperfect and may need to be rebuilt. Particularly if people want to block a tag, does that mean any post with that tag is blocked? Or is there another way of blocking posts that are tagged by other people that will deliver a high level of success?
Currently there's request, via a flag, for the USpolitics tag to be added to this post, https://www.metafilter.com/209603/If-this-isnt-infringement-Congress-needs-to-do-something, which I think is a reasonable request. But I've gone ahead and asked the original poster if they're cool with that. What do y'all think?
If they aren't and say no, is that a good system for the USpolitics tag with our current system. Should one person get to decide for everyone else about what is blocked under USpolitics?
jacquilynne: "Brandon reached out for more details on the specific posts I thought were a problem, so I assume they are at least considering a change in calibration, but I don't know if or when more details will be forthcoming."
Loup and I talked about the situation earlier today (I've been off a few days, thanks for your patience). The simple solution is for mods not to add the USPolitics tag unless it is specifically requested. But there will still be disagreements about what is political.
Hence the recommendation to occasionally look under a tag you've blocked, as tags are entirely user driven, so there's going to be some disagreement at times about how to tag something.
Folks can ask us to tag a post with a particular tag via email or flagging with a note.
Please note that the sidebar of USPolitics is not tag driven. A mod has to go into the post and click a checkmark button that then adds it to the sidebar. That might be a better way of handling things, aka mods putting what they or other users suggest as USPolitics without tagging the post itself. But people might get upset about their post being added to that, so it's still going to be grey area where people have different opinions.
We'll see how things go in terms of mods not tagging posts as USPolitics unless requested and see if we need to adjust anything on our end.
Loup and I talked about the situation earlier today (I've been off a few days, thanks for your patience). The simple solution is for mods not to add the USPolitics tag unless it is specifically requested. But there will still be disagreements about what is political.
Hence the recommendation to occasionally look under a tag you've blocked, as tags are entirely user driven, so there's going to be some disagreement at times about how to tag something.
Folks can ask us to tag a post with a particular tag via email or flagging with a note.
Please note that the sidebar of USPolitics is not tag driven. A mod has to go into the post and click a checkmark button that then adds it to the sidebar. That might be a better way of handling things, aka mods putting what they or other users suggest as USPolitics without tagging the post itself. But people might get upset about their post being added to that, so it's still going to be grey area where people have different opinions.
We'll see how things go in terms of mods not tagging posts as USPolitics unless requested and see if we need to adjust anything on our end.
Hey, Brandon's on duty today, will be around, but mostly listening, but here's a few responses to things brought up since my last comment:
Posted about this MeTa in the mod slack and the use of CamelCase for tags. For the 'uspolitics' tag is there a preference for 'USPolitics' or 'UsPolitics'?
The mods are open recalibrating on this and how and when we add tags to posts. Have left a reminder to use CamelCase when adding tags with multiple words, but just fyi the tag that was added by a mod to the post in question was 'USPolitics']
mediareport: "The USPolitics tag has now been removed, though the mod who removed it apparently didn't feel it necessary to say anything, either here or in the original thread, so I guess we can just assume from here on the mods will be more careful about adding it, but it would be nice, especially given Brandon's dismissive reply above, if they said to members that they have indeed decided to be more careful using it in the future."
See this comment earlier in the thread for the OP mentioning they had removed the tag themselves, which is totally fine.
Members always have the ability to add or remove tags from their posts after the post as b
Posted about this MeTa in the mod slack and the use of CamelCase for tags. For the 'uspolitics' tag is there a preference for 'USPolitics' or 'UsPolitics'?
The mods are open recalibrating on this and how and when we add tags to posts. Have left a reminder to use CamelCase when adding tags with multiple words, but just fyi the tag that was added by a mod to the post in question was 'USPolitics']
mediareport: "The USPolitics tag has now been removed, though the mod who removed it apparently didn't feel it necessary to say anything, either here or in the original thread, so I guess we can just assume from here on the mods will be more careful about adding it, but it would be nice, especially given Brandon's dismissive reply above, if they said to members that they have indeed decided to be more careful using it in the future."
See this comment earlier in the thread for the OP mentioning they had removed the tag themselves, which is totally fine.
Members always have the ability to add or remove tags from their posts after the post as b
Mods: how often are you adding this tag vs how often are users using it themselves, and what criteria are you using to decide?
No specific numbers. I'll add the tag if I think it needs to be added, based on the political football noticed in the news.
I do think it's a broad term and not everyone's definition will be the same. I'd recommend people occasionally looking under a blocked tag to see if they're missing something they might be interested in.
No specific numbers. I'll add the tag if I think it needs to be added, based on the political football noticed in the news.
I do think it's a broad term and not everyone's definition will be the same. I'd recommend people occasionally looking under a blocked tag to see if they're missing something they might be interested in.
Yes, the site was down for about two hours, but is back up now. Frimble is investigating why it happened.
An error regarding the status of the BIPOC board minutes for Meeting 29 has been corrected in the main post.
One comment deleted as requested.
secret about box: "moderation even explicitly said the person could be allowed back if they talked with the mods:
https://metatalk.metafilter.com/26621/the-need-for-clear-action-against-transphobia#1440110"]
The ban was made permanent a few comments later and we banned a couple of others for transphobia, and made it clear that transphobia should and will be more firmly handled going fo
https://metatalk.metafilter.com/26621/the-need-for-clear-action-against-transphobia#1440110"]
The ban was made permanent a few comments later and we banned a couple of others for transphobia, and made it clear that transphobia should and will be more firmly handled going fo
warriorqueen: "Just a note that I went to post twice in succession and did get notification that I'd posted very recently - I assume this is in the range of 2 hours or whatever but it's not quite immediate."
Yes, there's a one hour delay between being able to post, see earlier comment. Otherwise, there should not be a delay.
Yes, there's a one hour delay between being able to post, see earlier comment. Otherwise, there should not be a delay.
Diskeater: "Brandon, since you're reading this thread, any comment yet on the brigading evidence? Link to my previous comment on this."]
Replied in that thread to avoid derailing
Replied in that thread to avoid derailing
Previous username Jacen: "Have we confirmed if Gorgik is indeed still alive, and a member of the board? That's not a facetious or sarcastic question, I genuinely don't think he's posted anywhere in a month or two"
Gorgik is indeed alive and still a member of the Board.
Gorgik is indeed alive and still a member of the Board.
Date in post changed from 'July 15' to 'June 15'.
Folks, if you have time travel powers, please keep it to yourself to avoid making the rest of us jealous, thanks.
Folks, if you have time travel powers, please keep it to yourself to avoid making the rest of us jealous, thanks.
HearHere: "ashbury, performance art. responding to the change in time limits more than anything else; itโs interesting
anyway, i do think it could be good to take a break, thanks โฎ๏ธ"
You absolutely need to stop doing this. Nowhere on the site is a place for performance art. If you keep doing this, it may result in your account being denied access to the site.
MeMailed HearHere a link to this note.
anyway, i do think it could be good to take a break, thanks โฎ๏ธ"
You absolutely need to stop doing this. Nowhere on the site is a place for performance art. If you keep doing this, it may result in your account being denied access to the site.
MeMailed HearHere a link to this note.
Another thread with more flags than comments. Closing.
One comment and a reply deleted for name calling. Please don't do this.
Closing this thread as it is picking more flags than comments. Please ask yourself if a full new thread is needed before posting it.
No idea why this test post popped up today, it shouldn't have. It was a glitch, possibly the system having too many beans?
We're just gonna close this up hope this isn't a sign of the system becoming sentient.
This thread has been picking more flags than comments since it was posted so I'll close it now. If you have anything related you want to discuss, please head over to the oingoing governance thread.
Thank you everyone for your feedback!
Thank you everyone for your feedback!
Let's avoid turning this thread in to a discussion with/against the OP. If you disagree with this post, please flag it and move on.
There was a brief spike around 7-8 PM EDT
Removed a double comment
Alvy Ampersand: "I think I've been pretty fair-handed and non-aggressive in my attitude and comments towards the Board and Mods but who the fuck are you to check my ID? How fucking dare you."
Yeah, no one is or will be requesting anyone's personal ID, full stop. Never gonna happen and if anyone ever does do that, please report it.
Yeah, no one is or will be requesting anyone's personal ID, full stop. Never gonna happen and if anyone ever does do that, please report it.
adrienneleigh: "Perhaps Brandon could be prevailed upon to add this post to the alert bar, as he has done in the recent past for election-related posts?"
This has now be done, thanks for your patience.
In the future, I'd recommend posting the suggestion in the thread and email the mods via the contact form. I've been off four a couple of days, so wasn't aware of messages.
This has now be done, thanks for your patience.
In the future, I'd recommend posting the suggestion in the thread and email the mods via the contact form. I've been off four a couple of days, so wasn't aware of messages.
Post updated as requested above.
The MetaTalk queue has been turned off.
There is a one hour delay between being able to post, to prevent spamming, or accidental repeat posts, but that's it.
There is a one hour delay between being able to post, to prevent spamming, or accidental repeat posts, but that's it.
Yes, it was published immediately, the MetaTalk queue is off, folks can discuss that in the previous thread.
Diskeater: "Any chance you'll have the time to address the brigading concerns once the queue issues are sorted out?"
Derailing comment removed. There have been a couple of previous mod notes (1, 2)about these sort of comments from you Diskeater, and since they seem to be continuing after requests for them to stop, we're going to move on to timeouts if another one is made.
No one wants to do that, we're in agreement that you have every right to question Board or staff statements and actions, but you can't keep derailing other threads to do. This the thread about elections, please keep queries and/or complaints about elections to that or similar threads. Link to this comment has been MeMailed to Diskeater.
Derailing comment removed. There have been a couple of previous mod notes (1, 2)about these sort of comments from you Diskeater, and since they seem to be continuing after requests for them to stop, we're going to move on to timeouts if another one is made.
No one wants to do that, we're in agreement that you have every right to question Board or staff statements and actions, but you can't keep derailing other threads to do. This the thread about elections, please keep queries and/or complaints about elections to that or similar threads. Link to this comment has been MeMailed to Diskeater.
Just a note that after testing just now, the queue is still up, am looking into what's happening, in order to complete the removal. Thanks for your patience, we'll get this fixed, will update when I have more information.
One comment deleted as requested.
Brandon chiming in:
Having slept it, I'm in full agreement that deletion isn't the only tool in the moderation tool box and it should rarely be the first used in removing a post a member made.
That said, I do think it works in thise specific situation because:
The post was trying to incorporate a joke to make a point
The joke was inflammatory in a post about an inflammatory situation (Israel and Iran)
The post was was being flagged as offensive
There were comments in the thread saying the title was offensive
The creator of the post was staring to argue with people who objected to the joke
It was single link post, easily redone
The post had only 24 comments total (not 40 as some say) at the time of deletion, which seemed low, considering some of the comments didn't have anything to do with the subject (aka arguing about the jokey title).
So removing the post seemed like the best option in this case, in terms of resetting the thread so that people would focus on the incident and not how the post was created. If I had to do over again, I would have encouraged the creation of other post in the deletion note, while suggesting the removal of joke title and the explanation of the joke within.
Definitely keeping in mind that deletion should rarely be done.
Having slept it, I'm in full agreement that deletion isn't the only tool in the moderation tool box and it should rarely be the first used in removing a post a member made.
That said, I do think it works in thise specific situation because:
The post was trying to incorporate a joke to make a point
The joke was inflammatory in a post about an inflammatory situation (Israel and Iran)
The post was was being flagged as offensive
There were comments in the thread saying the title was offensive
The creator of the post was staring to argue with people who objected to the joke
It was single link post, easily redone
The post had only 24 comments total (not 40 as some say) at the time of deletion, which seemed low, considering some of the comments didn't have anything to do with the subject (aka arguing about the jokey title).
So removing the post seemed like the best option in this case, in terms of resetting the thread so that people would focus on the incident and not how the post was created. If I had to do over again, I would have encouraged the creation of other post in the deletion note, while suggesting the removal of joke title and the explanation of the joke within.
Definitely keeping in mind that deletion should rarely be done.
Brief shouting match deleted. Please let's do this without the name-calling.
The post was flagged as offensive several times, a few mentioning the title.
Feel free to redo a post about Israel attacking Iran of course, but perhaps this isn't the time to be clever with the title and subject, based on flag feedback. Not everyone has to be on the same wavelength about this, but if people are calling the post offensive and wanting to talk about that instead of the event itself, it's probably good to make the post differently.
Feel free to redo a post about Israel attacking Iran of course, but perhaps this isn't the time to be clever with the title and subject, based on flag feedback. Not everyone has to be on the same wavelength about this, but if people are calling the post offensive and wanting to talk about that instead of the event itself, it's probably good to make the post differently.
Based on the comments in this thread we have decided to close this thread. There are already other open threads about governanace, MetaTalk and the Meta Queue.
Please continue the conversation there and let us know if anything else is needed.
Please continue the conversation there and let us know if anything else is needed.
None of this is meant as a "told ya so". We do support the removal of the Meta Queue and recognize that this change will come with new complications but I'm sure we can sort them out with your input.
Based on the comments above and here it looks like the best course of action is to close both threads given that there are others already open about governanace, MetaTalk and the Meta Queue.
Please continue the conversation there and let us know if anything else is needed.
Based on the comments above and here it looks like the best course of action is to close both threads given that there are others already open about governanace, MetaTalk and the Meta Queue.
Please continue the conversation there and let us know if anything else is needed.
Noting that this post wouldn't have been approved under the old rules as it could have been a comment under the various other governance threads open at this moment. We approved right away given that the Meta queue is going away but please be mindful if there are other related discussions open already.
General note: mods are just reading and listening for the moment, seems the best thing to do at the moment.
As to a specific comment about about removing a former account that doesn't appear to have been properly removed, we're looking into it.
As to a specific comment about about removing a former account that doesn't appear to have been properly removed, we're looking into it.
Please note that the "Staff & SIte Info" link that was in the site banner has now moved to the footer, and is now titled "Site Information". The link to the Moderation Log is also now in the footer, under the title "Recent Mod Actions"
Lemkin: " Lemkin, I hope you're bearing up okay under the stress of all this goshdarned attention that you definitely don't want at all.
I was asking for it with that short skirt, I guess."
The original comment has been removed, but also reproduced here so people can see what was written.
Whatever was intended by writing that comment, it's coming off poorly and being seen as a joke about rape. Everyone please avoid making jokes about rape, they're never funny.
I was asking for it with that short skirt, I guess."
The original comment has been removed, but also reproduced here so people can see what was written.
Whatever was intended by writing that comment, it's coming off poorly and being seen as a joke about rape. Everyone please avoid making jokes about rape, they're never funny.
[Mod notes about this post and the general topic:
Yes, there is currently still a MetaTalk queue, but it's in name only, everything is being approved as soon as possible. The queue has been operating that way for several weeks. This week we'll cut the final technical chord so there will be no queue at all. A MeTa post will be posted about that on Tuesday.
Otherwise, please be kind to each other. The world is mess at the moment and there's no easy fixes coming anytime soon. MetaFilter in general can be place to talk about all sorts of things, but the conversation is only as good as we all make it.
Post about things that interest you, single links are fine, as well as pages of multi links, have at it. No one is under any obligation to please everyone with what they posts (and its not possible anyway), so just have at it. The community will deal with fallout from particular subjects if need be.
If you see a post you don't like or care for, just move on from it or engage with it thoughtfully. Use MyMefi and My Ask to filter what you want and don't want see.
Finally, mods can close posts on MetaTalk (and only on MetaTalk) so that's an option if people believe the way this is framed isn't helpful.
Otherwise take it easy and remember that the site is only as fun and interesting as we collectively make it. ]
Yes, there is currently still a MetaTalk queue, but it's in name only, everything is being approved as soon as possible. The queue has been operating that way for several weeks. This week we'll cut the final technical chord so there will be no queue at all. A MeTa post will be posted about that on Tuesday.
Otherwise, please be kind to each other. The world is mess at the moment and there's no easy fixes coming anytime soon. MetaFilter in general can be place to talk about all sorts of things, but the conversation is only as good as we all make it.
Post about things that interest you, single links are fine, as well as pages of multi links, have at it. No one is under any obligation to please everyone with what they posts (and its not possible anyway), so just have at it. The community will deal with fallout from particular subjects if need be.
If you see a post you don't like or care for, just move on from it or engage with it thoughtfully. Use MyMefi and My Ask to filter what you want and don't want see.
Finally, mods can close posts on MetaTalk (and only on MetaTalk) so that's an option if people believe the way this is framed isn't helpful.
Otherwise take it easy and remember that the site is only as fun and interesting as we collectively make it. ]
Hi, Brandon the mod chiming in.
ChatGPT is a contentious subject and that's mostly wants going in here, IMO. Some people loathe the topic and don't want to see any more about, while others want to talk about it a lot because it is so impactful on society.
So everyone please be mindful if you're making a post about AI/ChatGPT. Making the posts is fine, it's not a taboo subject. Sometimes people want to talk or share about something that's interesting, but MeFilter isn't occurring in an abstract discussion in a class. Real people are being affected by this technology and there's a lot of negative thoughts and feelings about it.
That's no excuse for members to be posting derailing or abusive comments. If the comments are derailing/abusive/attacking please flag them as such, so mods can take a look. Not everyone has to like or agree with the subject or premise of a post and it's fine to chime in with criticism or disagree, but keep in constructive and focused on the subject of the post. Mods might leave notes and remove content if that's derailing the post.
Clearly us mods could have done a better job in this instance, mostly due to the it being the weekend and less coverage. I'll go through the threads to see if anything needs to be removed or notes left, that'll be an ongoing process through the night, so bear with me there.
ChatGPT is a contentious subject and that's mostly wants going in here, IMO. Some people loathe the topic and don't want to see any more about, while others want to talk about it a lot because it is so impactful on society.
So everyone please be mindful if you're making a post about AI/ChatGPT. Making the posts is fine, it's not a taboo subject. Sometimes people want to talk or share about something that's interesting, but MeFilter isn't occurring in an abstract discussion in a class. Real people are being affected by this technology and there's a lot of negative thoughts and feelings about it.
That's no excuse for members to be posting derailing or abusive comments. If the comments are derailing/abusive/attacking please flag them as such, so mods can take a look. Not everyone has to like or agree with the subject or premise of a post and it's fine to chime in with criticism or disagree, but keep in constructive and focused on the subject of the post. Mods might leave notes and remove content if that's derailing the post.
Clearly us mods could have done a better job in this instance, mostly due to the it being the weekend and less coverage. I'll go through the threads to see if anything needs to be removed or notes left, that'll be an ongoing process through the night, so bear with me there.
Lemkin, the personal digs and insults aimed at users for their posting frequency needs to stop immediately. You've commented in this thread countless times doing the same thing, and it's not OK.
lookoutbelow: "FWIW I submitted a contact form request just now requesting input from site staff on the sidebar questions.
If I can summarize:
Who writes it?
What is its purpose in the staff's view?
Why are there so many repetitive messages relating to AI?"
Hi there lookoutbelow, I'm responding to you here publicly instead of the email.
The Best Of blog is solely written by me. Previously the purpose of it was share stuff the community generally seemed to like or to share specific stuff that had been flagged as fantastic. The current focus, as defined by me, is exploring how the blog (or the writings) could potentially be used entice or encourage non members to sign up for the site.
To that end, I've been focusing on what sort of value or interest the site would have non members. Being non AI, where all the comments are written by people seems like a good thing to highlight. But yeah, it may be a bit heavy handed as i'm not great at writing sales copy, so it's been a bit of learning experience. Will probably tone it down a bit and see what sort of measuring of stats can/should be done of those posts and the blog and whether the site should be doing more social media and if so, how to do it.
But first, I wanted to see how I cope with writing this style of copy amidst other duties before seeking suggestions/help.
If I can summarize:
Who writes it?
What is its purpose in the staff's view?
Why are there so many repetitive messages relating to AI?"
Hi there lookoutbelow, I'm responding to you here publicly instead of the email.
The Best Of blog is solely written by me. Previously the purpose of it was share stuff the community generally seemed to like or to share specific stuff that had been flagged as fantastic. The current focus, as defined by me, is exploring how the blog (or the writings) could potentially be used entice or encourage non members to sign up for the site.
To that end, I've been focusing on what sort of value or interest the site would have non members. Being non AI, where all the comments are written by people seems like a good thing to highlight. But yeah, it may be a bit heavy handed as i'm not great at writing sales copy, so it's been a bit of learning experience. Will probably tone it down a bit and see what sort of measuring of stats can/should be done of those posts and the blog and whether the site should be doing more social media and if so, how to do it.
But first, I wanted to see how I cope with writing this style of copy amidst other duties before seeking suggestions/help.
trig: "Thanks Brandon. I meant, has the Metafilter staff - or whoever is making decisions at this point - approved it in principle, as a policy?"
My understanding is that pretty much everyone on staff working with the assumption that a block feature will be a feature of the new site at some point after its initial launch. Please feel free to ask this question in the latest Site Rebuild Update.
My understanding is that pretty much everyone on staff working with the assumption that a block feature will be a feature of the new site at some point after its initial launch. Please feel free to ask this question in the latest Site Rebuild Update.
Ok, have signed MetaFilter.com with UptimeRobot to monitor the site. It's the free version, checks the site every five minutes and if it's down, will send an email to the mod email, which all the mods can see.
Told the rest of the staff about this on Slack and posted the account login info to the mod slack, so that any staff member will be able to login to UptimeRobot. Have pinned that and the BlueSky account info in a channel on the mod Slack for easy reference.
This isn't a perfect solution, just a halfway decent option as staff discusses ways to be alerted when the site is down, so that the community can be notified that we're aware and working on it.
mediareport: "The thingabob will automatically monitor the site and send Slack notifications to the mods and update Bluesky
Apparently that solution didn't work this time?"
Kirkaracha was referring to the new site with that comment, have confirmed that with him earlier this evening
Told the rest of the staff about this on Slack and posted the account login info to the mod slack, so that any staff member will be able to login to UptimeRobot. Have pinned that and the BlueSky account info in a channel on the mod Slack for easy reference.
This isn't a perfect solution, just a halfway decent option as staff discusses ways to be alerted when the site is down, so that the community can be notified that we're aware and working on it.
mediareport: "The thingabob will automatically monitor the site and send Slack notifications to the mods and update Bluesky
Apparently that solution didn't work this time?"
Kirkaracha was referring to the new site with that comment, have confirmed that with him earlier this evening
trig: "I MeMailed all three members a message that was put together with input and support from this thread. I know Rhaomi and Adam have been logging in to the site. Gorgik has not commented or posted since April. I also MeMailed him two weeks ago, to which he never responded.
I'll MeMail you the message I sent him and would be grateful if you could pass it on to him. I prefer not to use email in communications with the board or mods."
Hi trig,
Thanks for your patience here, it's been a busy day at Mefi, so it's taken me a while to respond.
I did MeMail Gorgik a message that people have questions about things and those questions are things only the Board can answer and linked him to your above comment. I'll also leave a note on Slack in the channel for the Board letting them know that members have questions and plans they'd like to discuss with the Board and that they've left MeMail messages at all three of their individual MeFi accounts.
I would advise that concerns also be emailed to the Board at [email protected] as I believe that's the Board's preferred method of communication.
None of this should be interpreted as me avoiding helping the community with their concerns. But as this is a Board matter, it's best that these concerns be directed to them and addressed by them to avoid any sort of miscommunication by involving a person in the middle.
I'm happy to relay that members have questions and concerns that need to be answered and/or addressed by the Board and left a link to your above comment in the Board's Slack channel,
Let me know if I can be of other assistance!
I'll MeMail you the message I sent him and would be grateful if you could pass it on to him. I prefer not to use email in communications with the board or mods."
Hi trig,
Thanks for your patience here, it's been a busy day at Mefi, so it's taken me a while to respond.
I did MeMail Gorgik a message that people have questions about things and those questions are things only the Board can answer and linked him to your above comment. I'll also leave a note on Slack in the channel for the Board letting them know that members have questions and plans they'd like to discuss with the Board and that they've left MeMail messages at all three of their individual MeFi accounts.
I would advise that concerns also be emailed to the Board at [email protected] as I believe that's the Board's preferred method of communication.
None of this should be interpreted as me avoiding helping the community with their concerns. But as this is a Board matter, it's best that these concerns be directed to them and addressed by them to avoid any sort of miscommunication by involving a person in the middle.
I'm happy to relay that members have questions and concerns that need to be answered and/or addressed by the Board and left a link to your above comment in the Board's Slack channel,
Let me know if I can be of other assistance!
lookoutbelow: "FWIW I submitted a contact form request just now requesting input from site staff on the sidebar questions"
Yes, it's been received, but will reply in thread by tomorrow (Saturday the 7) afternoon, thanks for you patience.
Yes, it's been received, but will reply in thread by tomorrow (Saturday the 7) afternoon, thanks for you patience.
One comment removed, posted in wrong thread.
a non mouse, a cow herd: "922257033c4a0f3cecdbd819a46d626999d1af4a: "Are we just approving all MetaTalks now?"
Yes.
posted by Brandon Blatcher (staff) at 1:40 PM on June 6 [+] [โ]
Does that mean we can post more often than once every 7 days?"
Soon, probably by the end of next week, if not sooner.
Yes.
posted by Brandon Blatcher (staff) at 1:40 PM on June 6 [+] [โ]
Does that mean we can post more often than once every 7 days?"
Soon, probably by the end of next week, if not sooner.
Lemkin: "Iโve submitted a MeTa request in which we can discuss this post. Now this thread can be the good-faith discussion of the mission statement that the OP intended."
It has been posted
It has been posted
Here's the reviewed P&L for May apologies about the delay but this literally included going over hundreds of records that were automatically miscategorized. The volunteer outside of the board was helping us reviewing the discrepancies and reporting artifacts from the transition to the Foundation that Adam has mentioned already. Also, cash on hand as of May 31 was $127,746.
Turns out it was a problem when updating ssl certificates and no one was near an actual computer at the time, so it was matter of getting home to fix it.
downtohisturtles: "Do all the mods have access to it or is it one person doing everything BlueSky related?"
All the mods have access to the BlueSky account, but obviously we're going to review things to make sure staff and the community are notified more quickly.
downtohisturtles: "Do all the mods have access to it or is it one person doing everything BlueSky related?"
All the mods have access to the BlueSky account, but obviously we're going to review things to make sure staff and the community are notified more quickly.
Hey all, talked to loup a few minutes ago, they're still working on the issue, hoping to have it fixed by Friday afternoon, but no specific guarantee.
Will check back with them tomorrow.
Will check back with them tomorrow.
Wordshore: "Recipe: proper cheese on toast"
Please don't do this, it can be considered dismissive of the post and your fellow member.
It's totally fine to comment that that you're confused by a MeTa post and ask for clarification. It's also fine to just skip the post and not leave any comments.
But don't try to shutdown or dismiss concerns that people might have by posting recipes. No one wants their thoughts or concerns to be dismissed or ignored, so please don't do it to others.
Please don't do this, it can be considered dismissive of the post and your fellow member.
It's totally fine to comment that that you're confused by a MeTa post and ask for clarification. It's also fine to just skip the post and not leave any comments.
But don't try to shutdown or dismiss concerns that people might have by posting recipes. No one wants their thoughts or concerns to be dismissed or ignored, so please don't do it to others.
Wordshore: "Recipe: proper cheese on toast"
Please don't do this, it can be considered dismissive of the post and your fellow member.
It's totally fine to comment that that you're confused by a MeTa post and ask for clarification. It's also fine to just skip the post and not leave any comments.
But don't try to shutdown or dismiss concerns that people might have by posting recipes. No one wants their thoughts or concerns to be dismissed or ignored, so please don't do it to others.
Please don't do this, it can be considered dismissive of the post and your fellow member.
It's totally fine to comment that that you're confused by a MeTa post and ask for clarification. It's also fine to just skip the post and not leave any comments.
But don't try to shutdown or dismiss concerns that people might have by posting recipes. No one wants their thoughts or concerns to be dismissed or ignored, so please don't do it to others.
Ok, here's what's going on with the delay on the May P&L report.
Turns out that despite being redirected to the new account, some payments and debits are going to an old account. The board is working to resolve the issue, no specific ETA on that.
The main post will be updated in a few minutes with this info.
Turns out that despite being redirected to the new account, some payments and debits are going to an old account. The board is working to resolve the issue, no specific ETA on that.
The main post will be updated in a few minutes with this info.
NotLost: "I have submitted a post calling for an election in June."
Just FYI, I don't see a post in the queue. Maybe you didn't hit the final submission click? Either way, I'll be around most of the night, so will be able to approve whatever is submitted.
Let me know if something did go wrong and we'll get it fixed.
Just FYI, I don't see a post in the queue. Maybe you didn't hit the final submission click? Either way, I'll be around most of the night, so will be able to approve whatever is submitted.
Let me know if something did go wrong and we'll get it fixed.
Two comments removed at the members request
mediareport: "Yeah posting the call for candidates on a Friday night wasn't ideal, which is why it is important that Brandon or one of the other mods follow up on this comment suggesting they'd be happy to add a link to a call for candidates to declare to the sidebar, banner and all of the subsites."
Links have been added to the banner and sidebar.
Here's some suggested verbiage for the posts:
How's that sound?
Links have been added to the banner and sidebar.
Here's some suggested verbiage for the posts:
Hi all,
Brief reminder that MetaFilter is a community run site, with a board of directors that are responsible for managing the site.
Currently we have a three member Board, and were looking at planning elections to vote in a new board. If you're interested in running for a seat on this new board, please declare your intentions in this MetaTalk thread.
We're still figuring exact details (like the new board will probably have more than 3 members) but for now we're looking to see how many people would be interested in running for a seat. So again, if you're interested, please declare in the above mentioned thread. This doesn't bind to do anything, just that you're interested.
Here's a few background links with recent discussions:
๐ฃ Discussion about the current and future bylaws
๐ฌ Talk about how to run an election for new board members
How's that sound?
mediareport: "is there anyone on staff or the IUB who is prepared to answer specific questions about the new financial documents? If so, who is that person? If not, why not?"
The Board is aware that people have various questions and they're the best ones to answer these specific questions.
The Board is aware that people have various questions and they're the best ones to answer these specific questions.
mediareport: "Well dang, looks like someone has just posted a thread for candidates to declare. Excellent. Brandon, I believe you'd recently written* you would put links to a candidate declaration thread in the sidebar and banner. Can you please do so now? Thanks.
*I'd find it but there's a tornado nearby I definitely remember it tho"
Can do, but we currently have a bunch of links in the nav bar, so adding more might break the site for a minute, so lets see how this goes! Mentioned only if case people see the site do...something odd for a few seconds.
*I'd find it but there's a tornado nearby I definitely remember it tho"
Can do, but we currently have a bunch of links in the nav bar, so adding more might break the site for a minute, so lets see how this goes! Mentioned only if case people see the site do...something odd for a few seconds.
lapis: "I would suggest updating the text of this post to say "Here are the current bylaws of the site" rather than saying they're a draft of proposed bylaws."
Text in post updated!
Have let the board know that people have questions about the P&L reports and financials!
Text in post updated!
Have let the board know that people have questions about the P&L reports and financials!
Just a mod note responding to flags on this and other recent MeTa post that was asking about past MetaFilter or Ask MetaFilter posts: It's totally ok to ask about previous site posts on MetaTalk, it's part of the function of this subsite. People can use AskMe instead, but posts like these are totally fine for MetaTalk. But please just use one or the other, not both, thanks.
trig: "Looking at the footer, I see "Moderation Review" but I don't think that's very self-explanatory. Maybe a caption like "Got a concern about moderation?" would help - similar styling as the "Join 8,311 readers..." caption under "Fund Metafilter". And I'd also put a link to the form in the Contact Us page. (To be honest, a prominent link there might be enough to make the footer link redundant, but then again redundancy's fine.)"
Apologies for late reply, we're looking into this too.
Apologies for late reply, we're looking into this too.
It is regrettable that: "I'm sorry for not being up on the discussion surrounding this, but is it intended to be a permanent part of the header, or is that just to bring initial attention to it, and eventually it'll move somewhere else, say to a menu, or the footer?"
The link to request a Moderation Review is already in the footer! It's on the right side, under the Contact Us link, where it'll remain for the future, pending the site redesign or a request from the Moderation Oversight Committee to move it.
We'll leave the link in the nav bar for a few more days for higher visibility, then remove it from the there.
The link to request a Moderation Review is already in the footer! It's on the right side, under the Contact Us link, where it'll remain for the future, pending the site redesign or a request from the Moderation Oversight Committee to move it.
We'll leave the link in the nav bar for a few more days for higher visibility, then remove it from the there.
litera scripta manet: "It looks like several members in the other election related thread have said they'll post a MeTa asking who is interested in running. Now, I guess that would still need mod approval and all that."
That should not be a problem.
That should not be a problem.
One duplicate comment deleted.
ssg: "Brandon or another mod, can you share some details on how the sussing out of sock puppets might work? Is there anything in the database that indicates known or potential sock puppets? Or are we just working off of email addresses used to sign up and other similar data?"
Short answer: yes, thereโs backend stuff to detect sock puppet accounts, but as a non-technical person, I canโt and wonโt get into details.
Things always go badly when a non-techie attempts to explain technical stuff to people who are familiar with the technology (ie coding).
Probably not a great idea to go into details. No need to leave doors open.
Short answer: yes, thereโs backend stuff to detect sock puppet accounts, but as a non-technical person, I canโt and wonโt get into details.
Things always go badly when a non-techie attempts to explain technical stuff to people who are familiar with the technology (ie coding).
Probably not a great idea to go into details. No need to leave doors open.
unearthed: "I really wonder if Lemkin and HearHere in this thread are truly human themselves as they don't seem able to read the room"
Feel free to disagree with any member on the site, but implying that they're not human is uncalled for, unnecessary, and frankly cruel. Please don't do this to other people, it's a low blow and does nothing to help any disagreements.
Feel free to disagree with any member on the site, but implying that they're not human is uncalled for, unnecessary, and frankly cruel. Please don't do this to other people, it's a low blow and does nothing to help any disagreements.
mediareport: "It would be great if whatever MeTa post is made next week asking for candidates to declare would be highlighted in various ways by the mods - sidebar, posts at all subsites, banner, etc, as has been suggested multiple times in these threads - but if we have to do it without that help I'm sure we'll manage."
It's happened pretty much any other time there's been elections or something major, see no reason for it to be different now.
I'd advise sending an email when folks want things added to the nav, sidebar, or posts on subsites so that we're aware of when to do it and any relevant verbiage to include. Yes to all these things.
It's happened pretty much any other time there's been elections or something major, see no reason for it to be different now.
I'd advise sending an email when folks want things added to the nav, sidebar, or posts on subsites so that we're aware of when to do it and any relevant verbiage to include. Yes to all these things.
Lemkin: "Mods, please delete the post. I also encourage you to update the policy."
The post has been deleted, leaving this thread for those who still want to discuss AI content in posts.
The post has been deleted, leaving this thread for those who still want to discuss AI content in posts.
One comment calling another Mefite "bald-faced liar and totally full of shit" deleted. While MetaTalk is very lightly moderated, name calling, is still against our content policy. Please do not do that.
tivalasvegas: "So, here's the thing. This sounds like a great idea. I'm all for it. BUT. Is this a priority?"
I believe you were just making it point with this example, but just want to make it clear that no one is making this a priority (being able to link serial posts or doing it manually for tinyfryingpan). It was just a neat idea adn Kirkaracha is probably just throwing it on a list.
Otherwise, the site update will be out next week, we're aiming for May 29th and hoping (fingers and toes crossed) to include the financial info in it.
No absolute promises because I'm not involved in correcting, checking, or finalizing the info (and thus can't speak to specifics), but people are working and hoping to finish this project.
I believe you were just making it point with this example, but just want to make it clear that no one is making this a priority (being able to link serial posts or doing it manually for tinyfryingpan). It was just a neat idea adn Kirkaracha is probably just throwing it on a list.
Otherwise, the site update will be out next week, we're aiming for May 29th and hoping (fingers and toes crossed) to include the financial info in it.
No absolute promises because I'm not involved in correcting, checking, or finalizing the info (and thus can't speak to specifics), but people are working and hoping to finish this project.
No comments removed; just noting that the comment above from donnagirl about anotherpanacea is picking some flags and while we will not remove it, let's please avoid drawing attention/calling out buttoned users.
kirkaracha: "Since serial posts are OK, would it be useful to have a new feature to navigate between the posts in a series? Like an index or table of contents."
This would be very cool and useful in these circumstances. Thanks for the suggestion, I'll relay it to the development team! :)
This would be very cool and useful in these circumstances. Thanks for the suggestion, I'll relay it to the development team! :)
Rash: "I don't set policy, but if I did these types of posts would not merely be allowed, but encouraged. (That is, if they aren't already.)"
The unwritten rule is that anything that doesn't cause a problem is fine.
So if someone wanted to do a series of posts on how different types of paint dry on different types of materials that would be fine.
Thinking about it as a I write this comment, a series of posts about a subject could also be a great way of teaching about a subject. Say I wanted to do a post about X, but there was a lot of information, too much for a single person to learn and put in a post. Breaking that learning up into several posts would be a good way to digest and share that information.
The unwritten rule is that anything that doesn't cause a problem is fine.
So if someone wanted to do a series of posts on how different types of paint dry on different types of materials that would be fine.
Thinking about it as a I write this comment, a series of posts about a subject could also be a great way of teaching about a subject. Say I wanted to do a post about X, but there was a lot of information, too much for a single person to learn and put in a post. Breaking that learning up into several posts would be a good way to digest and share that information.
donnagirl: "Also I just realized that this is the slowness thread not the most recent site update thread."
Here's the link to the most recent site update thread
Here's the link to the most recent site update thread
EmpressCallipygos: "Hey, donnagirl, can you please keep site discussions out of Fanfare?"
That comment has been removed and this mod note has the explanation for the removal.
That comment has been removed and this mod note has the explanation for the removal.